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Source for the dates of this series is "Doc X," whose accuracy < 100%. Therefore dates can be considered provisional. (At least there is no conflict with existing discourses.) -- [[User:Sarlo|Sarlo]] ([[User talk:Sarlo|talk]]) 10:56, 4 February 2014 (PST)
Source for the dates of this series is [[Doc X (source document)|"Doc X"]], whose accuracy < 100%. Therefore dates can be considered provisional. (At least there is no conflict with existing discourses.) -- [[User:Sarlo|Sarlo]] ([[User talk:Sarlo|talk]]) 10:56, 4 February 2014 (PST)
 
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These dates are supported by [[Sw Anand Neeten|Neeten's]] [http://www.oshosourcebook.com Osho Source Book], citing [[T.R.E.M.O. (source document)|Gyan Bhed]]. He adds that the discourses of this series, likely applying to all the ''Vani'' series, were given from 8:30 to 10:00 every morning.
 
TOC below is from Osho World and osho.com audiobook offerings. Titles are the same between them except that OW has none of the material in parentheses, which appear to be entirely o.com's creations, a classificatory system found nowhere else on the net, relating neither to Mahavir, Jainism nor anything else. Even the "धम्म-सुत्त" which G**gle suggested to try instead of "धम्म-सूत्र" -- dhamma and sutta being more Pali-consistent than dhamma and sutra -- got a few more hits but nothing significant. Will discontinue the use of this parenthetical material in the other two ''Vanis''.
 
OW's offering came in groups of ten mp3's (and much cheaper) and so ''Vani-1'' runs into ''Vani-2'' and ''-2'' into ''-3'', treating the 54 talks as one organic whole, at least as audios. And o.com, while maintaining the grouping of the different volumes, also numbers the talks sequentially, so ''Vani-2'' starts at 19 and so on. Books of course were published separately, with ''Vani-3'' almost invisible. It is not known whether this numbering was followed in the books. -- doofus-9 02:47, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
 
:1: मंत्र : दिव्य-लोक की कुंजी (पंच-नमोकार-सूत्र)
:2: मंगल व लोकोत्तर की भावना (मंगल-भाव-सूत्र)
:3: शरणागति : धर्म का मूल आधार (शरणागति-सूत्र)
:4: धर्म : स्वभाव में होना (धम्म-सूत्र)
:5: अहिंसा : जीवेषणा की मृत्यु (धम्म-सूत्र : अहिंसा)
:6: संयम : मध्य में रुकना (धम्म-सूत्र : संयम-1)
:7: संयम की विधायक दृष्टि (धम्म-सूत्र : संयम-2)
:8: तप : ऊर्जा-शरीर का दिशा-परिवर्तन (धम्म-सूत्र : तप-1)
:9: तप : ऊर्जा-शरीर का अनुभव (धम्म-सूत्र : तप-2)
:10: अनशन : मध्य के क्षण का अनुभव (धम्म-सूत्र : बाह्य-तप-1)
:11: ऊणोदरी एवं वृत्ति-संक्षेप (धम्म-सूत्र : बाह्य-तप-2, 3)
:12: रस-परित्याग और काया-क्लेश (धम्म-सूत्र : बाह्य-तप-4, 5)
:13: संलीनता : अंतर-तप का प्रवेश द्वार (धम्म-सूत्र : बाह्य-तप-6)
:14: प्रायश्चित्त : पहला अंतर-तप (धम्म-सूत्र : अंतर-तप-1)
:15: विनय : परिणति निरअहंकारिता की (धम्म-सूत्र : अंतर-तप-2)
:16: वैयावृत्य और स्वाध्याय (धम्म-सूत्र : अंतर-तप-3, 4)
:17: सामायिक : स्वभाव में ठहर जाना (धम्म-सूत्र : अंतर-तप-5)
:18: कायोत्सर्ग : शरीर से विदा लेने की क्षमता (धम्म-सूत्र : अंतर-तप-6)

Latest revision as of 14:30, 6 September 2018

Source for the dates of this series is "Doc X", whose accuracy < 100%. Therefore dates can be considered provisional. (At least there is no conflict with existing discourses.) -- Sarlo (talk) 10:56, 4 February 2014 (PST)


These dates are supported by Neeten's Osho Source Book, citing Gyan Bhed. He adds that the discourses of this series, likely applying to all the Vani series, were given from 8:30 to 10:00 every morning.

TOC below is from Osho World and osho.com audiobook offerings. Titles are the same between them except that OW has none of the material in parentheses, which appear to be entirely o.com's creations, a classificatory system found nowhere else on the net, relating neither to Mahavir, Jainism nor anything else. Even the "धम्म-सुत्त" which G**gle suggested to try instead of "धम्म-सूत्र" -- dhamma and sutta being more Pali-consistent than dhamma and sutra -- got a few more hits but nothing significant. Will discontinue the use of this parenthetical material in the other two Vanis.

OW's offering came in groups of ten mp3's (and much cheaper) and so Vani-1 runs into Vani-2 and -2 into -3, treating the 54 talks as one organic whole, at least as audios. And o.com, while maintaining the grouping of the different volumes, also numbers the talks sequentially, so Vani-2 starts at 19 and so on. Books of course were published separately, with Vani-3 almost invisible. It is not known whether this numbering was followed in the books. -- doofus-9 02:47, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

1: मंत्र : दिव्य-लोक की कुंजी (पंच-नमोकार-सूत्र)
2: मंगल व लोकोत्तर की भावना (मंगल-भाव-सूत्र)
3: शरणागति : धर्म का मूल आधार (शरणागति-सूत्र)
4: धर्म : स्वभाव में होना (धम्म-सूत्र)
5: अहिंसा : जीवेषणा की मृत्यु (धम्म-सूत्र : अहिंसा)
6: संयम : मध्य में रुकना (धम्म-सूत्र : संयम-1)
7: संयम की विधायक दृष्टि (धम्म-सूत्र : संयम-2)
8: तप : ऊर्जा-शरीर का दिशा-परिवर्तन (धम्म-सूत्र : तप-1)
9: तप : ऊर्जा-शरीर का अनुभव (धम्म-सूत्र : तप-2)
10: अनशन : मध्य के क्षण का अनुभव (धम्म-सूत्र : बाह्य-तप-1)
11: ऊणोदरी एवं वृत्ति-संक्षेप (धम्म-सूत्र : बाह्य-तप-2, 3)
12: रस-परित्याग और काया-क्लेश (धम्म-सूत्र : बाह्य-तप-4, 5)
13: संलीनता : अंतर-तप का प्रवेश द्वार (धम्म-सूत्र : बाह्य-तप-6)
14: प्रायश्चित्त : पहला अंतर-तप (धम्म-सूत्र : अंतर-तप-1)
15: विनय : परिणति निरअहंकारिता की (धम्म-सूत्र : अंतर-तप-2)
16: वैयावृत्य और स्वाध्याय (धम्म-सूत्र : अंतर-तप-3, 4)
17: सामायिक : स्वभाव में ठहर जाना (धम्म-सूत्र : अंतर-तप-5)
18: कायोत्सर्ग : शरीर से विदा लेने की क्षमता (धम्म-सूत्र : अंतर-तप-6)