Talk:Maro He Jogi Maro (मरौ हे जोगी मरौ)

While Roman transliterations of Devanagari are known for their variability and inconsistency, it is uncommon for titles to come in more than one version of Devanagari. This title is the one! मरौ is represented as मारो in some places on the net, thus मारो हे जोगी मारो may work to find a copy. This site will stick with the version on the cover.

And while we're here, the ISBN, given as ISBN 81-7261-158-7, is one of those "Indian ISBNs," useful for finding a copy on Indian bookseller sites but not otherwise verifiable as a "real" ISBN. -- Sarlo (talk) 08:41, 23 February 2014 (PST)

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I do not understand the notes on the main page:

Published Hindi book appears only to have those first ten discourses as well.

Does this book have 10 or 20 chapters?

There appears to be no distinction made of Vol 1 and 2.

I don't understand what this means. And what is the relation with the pages Maro He Jogi Maro, Vol 1 and Maro He Jogi Maro, Vol 2? --Sugit (talk) 19:07, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

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Sorry if the notes weren't clear. This book and its English translation have a few issues but they were sorted out to my satisfaction by Doc X, thusly:

1. The two versions with Vol # you link to are a couple of the few remaining remnants of the old Hindi Pubs system, sans Devanagari titles. AFAIC they can be deleted, as they contain no useful info, nor do they point or hint at anything useful, aside from the hint of a whisper of a possibility that a Vol 2 was once published. There appears to be no other hint of that possibility anywhere.

2. Doc X also uses the terms Vol 1 and Vol 2 but they appear not to have ever been published as such. They can be thought of as handy tags to distinguish the ten talks given in Oct from the ten given in Nov, but no more than that.

3. From the info on Sahaj Yog(a), the series following "Vol 2", it seems fairly clear that that series ran twenty days and had twenty chapters / discourses, from Nov 21 to Dec 10. Doc X's info on Sahaj Yog is much more compelling than the old info not sure what the source of that might have been, perhaps only inference based on this "Vol 2" rump page in the wiki).

4. The old / other info had Maro Vol 2 running Nov 11-30 and Sahaj Yog(a) Dec 1-10. This seems unlikely for two reasons: For Maro that would make two vols of unequal length, and one ten-day series of Sahaj Yog on two different masters. Each of these scenarios would be unlikely on its own, together they are prohibitive.

5. And Doc X has proposed a sensible scenario, where the two vols of Maro are the same length and Sahaj Yog has enough space for ten days of talks on Saraha (Sarhapa) and ten on Tilopa.

6. The audio sites have only twenty discourses in all, not thirty, which is what you should get in the old scenario.

This book, referring to Maro plain without Vol #, can be said to have both 10 and 20 chapters / talks: Ten, if you count what's been published by Rebel, ten chapters without a Vol #, twenty if you count audio / Doc X's sensible discourse dates. Perhaps there is some ambiguity also in the translated books. In the CD-ROM there are only ten chapters, referring to a 1994 publication of that length. The 2004 and 2011 versions have almost 500 pages, perhaps there are 20 chapters in those editions. The 2003 Rebel Hindi book has only 204 pages. Thus does an out-of-harmony situation persist even then.

About "There appears to be no distinction made of Vol 1 and 2": "Vol 1" and "Vol 2" appear not to have existed anywhere, except as hinted at by the rump pages in the wiki. Nor is any distinction made either in the twenty-talk audio offerings or in Rebel's published book of apparently ten chapters (2003). The only places where "Vol 1" and "Vol 2" would have any merit / utility would be in conversations or notes where the terms would be used as verbal tags as in point 2 above.

The real mystery about Maro is this "Jogi" word. Where does that come from? It is there in the cover images in Devanagari, where जो is unambiguously Jo, not Yo, okay, but where does that come from? The Hindi/Skt word "yogi" seems to have got taken over -- in a Hindi title -- by some German / Dutch / Scandanavian / Slavic usage, like Yogi transliterated into a Nordic form, then read by an English speaker and transliterated back into Devangari. -- doofus-9 (talk) 15:49, 13 August 2015 (UTC)